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and john boehner says we're at a stalemate. and president obama himself is kind of getting ugly about this enemy's list. we've seen this before from him. my proposal is, republicans have to come with a counter offer. right now. there's no point in blasting obama. just a counter offer. i want to read from today's newspaper. this is what mitch mcconnell said. "higher medicare premiums for the wealthy, an increase in the medicare eligibility age, and a slowing of costs of living increases for programs like social security. and then republicans would agree to include more tax revenue in the deal but not from higher tax rates." now, let's just look at this for a second. we'll go to you first, nan. he wants medicare eligibility, he wants medicaid reforms, he wants spending cuts. then he'll talk revenues. that seems reasonable to me. is he going to do it? will the republicans come back with their own counter offer? >> well, certainly larry those are elements of a long-term approach to our enormous debt. it's a crushing debt. it hams o
and john boehner says we're at a stalemate. and president obama himself is kind of getting ugly about this enemy's list. we've seen this before from him. my proposal is, republicans have to come with a counter offer. right now. there's no point in blasting obama. just a counter offer. i want to read from today's newspaper. this is what mitch mcconnell said. "higher medicare premiums for the wealthy, an increase in the medicare eligibility age, and a slowing of costs of living increases for...
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speaker boehner. he looks like he's about had. >> yes, he came out of the white house meeting today and use the word were disappointed, which is very diplomatic for what happened. there is no mystery about barack obama. this is the man we have come to know for the last four years. he has no intention of compromising. no intention of cutting spending. he has never shown any indication of that. he has every intention of raising the rate and will not compromise. lou: steve murphy is shaking his head. why are you shaking your head? >> because the president thought he had a deal last year with the house of representatives. the president is willing to do this with mostly spending cuts. lou: is often about the negotiations for anyone to do that. [talking over each other] [talking over each other] lou: if you want, watch the markets tonight. lou: watch the markets in europe and asia with the rhetoric today from washington dc and you tell me how sanguine you are about a deadline around christmas. the markets,
speaker boehner. he looks like he's about had. >> yes, he came out of the white house meeting today and use the word were disappointed, which is very diplomatic for what happened. there is no mystery about barack obama. this is the man we have come to know for the last four years. he has no intention of compromising. no intention of cutting spending. he has never shown any indication of that. he has every intention of raising the rate and will not compromise. lou: steve murphy is shaking...
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the boehner plan does that. >> if the boehner plan doesn't specific where his taxes come from. it says unnamed tax loopholes. >> before -- they moved and said listen we're willing to do $8 hurricane katrina billion in deductions not just for scoring. that's a huge concession. where is the president's concession. >> let me ask doug. that's a great point. i don't see the president -- in fact president has become harder line. he was somewhat -- he was somewhat accommodating right after the re-election. he's become harder line. i agree with that point. doug, you know the numbers. once again, i ask you, does boehner's idea of capping upper end deductions work to raise revenues, heaven forbid without damaging the middle class? does it work? >> yes, absolutely it works, and, you know, it's important to recognize we have two different problems. problem number one is the fiscal cliff and threat of recession. raising any more taxes doesn't make any sense. this is politics trumping economic sense. second problem is fixing the debt and there's this debate about how much revenue, how much s
the boehner plan does that. >> if the boehner plan doesn't specific where his taxes come from. it says unnamed tax loopholes. >> before -- they moved and said listen we're willing to do $8 hurricane katrina billion in deductions not just for scoring. that's a huge concession. where is the president's concession. >> let me ask doug. that's a great point. i don't see the president -- in fact president has become harder line. he was somewhat -- he was somewhat accommodating right...
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look, in the negotiations, speaker boehner was reportedly offered revenue. the presidents asked for $1.6 trillion in revenue. there's a bid. there's an ask. >> let me bring that to congressman ellison, we started to see the beginnings of a counteroffer from mitch mcconnell. he offered three things. he said that he's gradual increase in the eligibility age for medicare. some adjustments to social security cola. i believe those are all nonstarters to you and the progressive caucus. >> those would be a problem because raising rates and increasing eligibility age is going to hurt people across income scales. particularly low income seniors and people like that. that wouldn't work for us. >> the president has been open to some of that before. >> here's the deal, the people of the united states believe that medicare is an important program. they don't want to see beneficiaries cut. if we find cuts that don't result in cuts to beneficiaries that's one thing. but we're not going to go after seeing the president win this election, we won the white house, turn right a
look, in the negotiations, speaker boehner was reportedly offered revenue. the presidents asked for $1.6 trillion in revenue. there's a bid. there's an ask. >> let me bring that to congressman ellison, we started to see the beginnings of a counteroffer from mitch mcconnell. he offered three things. he said that he's gradual increase in the eligibility age for medicare. some adjustments to social security cola. i believe those are all nonstarters to you and the progressive caucus. >>...
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boehner knows that. and so they're puddling around the edges right now, i think to professor's point. >> i want to talk about tax reform and pick up a point you mentioned yesterday. as far as if we go from the 35 to the 39, we don't get there. we need capital gains and dividends. i want to talk about real-life experience. i sold my business 2000, 28% capital gains. great capital there for me. i have not done one thing differently in the last 11 years had it been 13% or 15%. this concept that if we raise capital gains, we are going to somehow destroy the economy, trickle down is not going to work, is false. is absolutely unequivocally false. and until forget even entitlements, on the revenue side we don't move to capital gains and dividends, we're not going to make a dent in this thing. >> which is what warren buffett said, it's not going to stop people from investing. the republican fear is that we agree to revenue hikes, but we don't actually ever get these spending cuts, the spending cuts are pushed do
boehner knows that. and so they're puddling around the edges right now, i think to professor's point. >> i want to talk about tax reform and pick up a point you mentioned yesterday. as far as if we go from the 35 to the 39, we don't get there. we need capital gains and dividends. i want to talk about real-life experience. i sold my business 2000, 28% capital gains. great capital there for me. i have not done one thing differently in the last 11 years had it been 13% or 15%. this concept...
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they are speaking as one with john boehner. so that's, i think, the big difference is that boehner, cantor, mccarthy, throw paul ryan in there, this is a quartet that is moving as one, negotiating as one. there's no, none of this looking over the shoulder. on the leadership side, it's a much different story. yes, it really depends on how you want to try to view it. can you find more rank-and-file conservative republicans who are sort of not in the circle? yes. to complain. but there's no -- there's no alternative. >> bob, you, yesterday, shadowed grover norquist for quite some time. you went to the meeting, his wednesday meeting. >> that's right. >> he has all the time with some of the most powerful conservatives in d.c. and across the country attending. what was their attitude about any deal that boehner might have to make? >> it's pretty interesting when you talk to house republicans because they look at boehner from two different perspectives. on one side, boehner went in front of the house conference and he said, i'm not go
they are speaking as one with john boehner. so that's, i think, the big difference is that boehner, cantor, mccarthy, throw paul ryan in there, this is a quartet that is moving as one, negotiating as one. there's no, none of this looking over the shoulder. on the leadership side, it's a much different story. yes, it really depends on how you want to try to view it. can you find more rank-and-file conservative republicans who are sort of not in the circle? yes. to complain. but there's no --...
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more support for boehner now than anytime in his speaker ship. is that's setting up for -- >> but it is social media and twitter allows to you see these things. >> sausage factory into the front of the kitchen. >> exactly. >> geithner didn't use the word marginal rates had to go up, just said rates. >> rates are already going up. there will be a tax increase to people making more than 250 anyway because of the health care law. so the idea that somehow they will get a freebie is just crazy. >> california at 52%, new york and other places -- >> when you add up all the state and local taxes. hawaii is above 50, as well. >> hawaii is worth it, though. >> california is not bad either. >> unless you need to drive somewhere. right? and don't have a helicopter. >> there's a reason the president takes a helicopter anywhere. you can't drive in d.c. sdl those a >> boston in the city can get like that. last night i was thinking in my mother was still alive, cincinnati versus here, she would see like ten cars an and go oh, i can't believe people -- if she had
more support for boehner now than anytime in his speaker ship. is that's setting up for -- >> but it is social media and twitter allows to you see these things. >> sausage factory into the front of the kitchen. >> exactly. >> geithner didn't use the word marginal rates had to go up, just said rates. >> rates are already going up. there will be a tax increase to people making more than 250 anyway because of the health care law. so the idea that somehow they will get...
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to boehner on thursday. boehner said, tells us, he was flabbergasted and said you can't be serious. it called for doublebe what the president talked about in public. not $800 billion in new revenue but $1.6 trillion in revenue. only $600 million in entitlement and spending cuts. well, that is not one to one or three to one. more revenue than spending cuts. they are really far away now. i understand negotiations. i understand opening bid. for first time, it occurred to me they might not get it done. >> you get a sense hearing from both of them that is a real possibility. what do you make of the negotiation of the tactic? it seems like what secretary geithner behalf of the president brought to the table. reports that senator mcconnell laughed out loud when he got the report. is it posturing and are both sides enfrenched they won't find middle ground? >> possibility. let me take the optimistic possibility here. that would be that with the white house demanding one $1 $1.6 trillion in revenue. gets to 1.2 or tri
to boehner on thursday. boehner said, tells us, he was flabbergasted and said you can't be serious. it called for doublebe what the president talked about in public. not $800 billion in new revenue but $1.6 trillion in revenue. only $600 million in entitlement and spending cuts. well, that is not one to one or three to one. more revenue than spending cuts. they are really far away now. i understand negotiations. i understand opening bid. for first time, it occurred to me they might not get it...
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you hear speaker boehner saying the perhaps wasn't paying attention election. the reality is the white house has a bigger bully pulpit here. so how they maneuver and handle themselveses is important. we are talking a few weeks before we see the fine print that you are talking about. >> bret: you know, we were out on the campaign trail. for people who thought once we got past the election this would be breathing room to deal with big ticket items that the country has to deal with. you know, turn the aircraft carrier or start to turn it so we're going in the right direction, it doesn't seem like we are doing that. >> it doesn't seem like that at all. what did we think? thinking that, you know, putting this problem off until the very end was suddenly easier at the end than in the beginning? it was status quo election in some respects. three leaders are still in the position. it shouldn't be that surprising to us. >> surprising to me that the president essentially who would get revenues he wants from the deductions and the exclusions but insist on the rates not for
you hear speaker boehner saying the perhaps wasn't paying attention election. the reality is the white house has a bigger bully pulpit here. so how they maneuver and handle themselveses is important. we are talking a few weeks before we see the fine print that you are talking about. >> bret: you know, we were out on the campaign trail. for people who thought once we got past the election this would be breathing room to deal with big ticket items that the country has to deal with. you...
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we all know john boehner. john boehner's a deal maker. i didn't -- i liked him personally, but i never trusted him in congress because, you know, he liked making deals. that's what we need right now. the president can only push him so far. or he loses his caucus. and this is not about john boehner kicking and screaming. this is about him knowing what he can deliver. >> i understand that. john boehner has, and eric cantor and a paul ryan problem, he's got to keep them on board as his key guys. he can only go so far. i would guess that they're the ones holding the pen when he wrote, "i will not raise rates" in that letter he sent to president obama. but the problem is, we can agree or disagree with the president's position. i honestly take the president at his word. i do not believe there will be a deal here without some increase in tax rates for the top 2%. it doesn't have to be all of it, but some of it. i think the president has changed his tune a bit from the way he's handled some of these other negotiations. and take everything you say
we all know john boehner. john boehner's a deal maker. i didn't -- i liked him personally, but i never trusted him in congress because, you know, he liked making deals. that's what we need right now. the president can only push him so far. or he loses his caucus. and this is not about john boehner kicking and screaming. this is about him knowing what he can deliver. >> i understand that. john boehner has, and eric cantor and a paul ryan problem, he's got to keep them on board as his key...
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and boehner i think is under even more enormous pressure because a lot of people see boehner if the house as the last best hope for a voiding what a lot of people think is a calamity. >> but leadership isn't calling the other side names. i think when you talk about the big four, boehner, reid, pelosi -- >> no, not them. >> obama is on the legislative branch. we have to give him a break on that. but there are four big people. those four people couldn't be more inept. >> it's boehner -- the mcconnell and pelosi and reid have nothing to do with what's going on between boehner and obama. >> to some extent that's true. >> reid is the guy that pushed obama to extend the bush tax rates in 2010. so reid would i suspect -- >> i'm starting to like him more. i thought of him as senator pat geary from godfather 2. but everybody loves harry. there's a song everybody loves harry. anybodies that that has anything to do with casinos loves harry. just a quick question. you were a big cap guy for a long time. now dividends rates where going up. are you still a big cap guy? i've been a small cap guy. i'll t
and boehner i think is under even more enormous pressure because a lot of people see boehner if the house as the last best hope for a voiding what a lot of people think is a calamity. >> but leadership isn't calling the other side names. i think when you talk about the big four, boehner, reid, pelosi -- >> no, not them. >> obama is on the legislative branch. we have to give him a break on that. but there are four big people. those four people couldn't be more inept. >>...
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boehner to stop protecting the rich. joy reid is managing editor of the grio, and david corn is washington bureau chief for mother jones and the author of the ebook "47 percent." today the president took his pitch to a factory in the philadelphia suburbs, and he made clear the rich must pay their fair share. obama's job number one, a tax cut for the 98%. the rest of the people. let's listen to him. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to you for just a handful of republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks to go up. all right? that doesn't make sense. the senate has already passed a bill to keep income taxes from going up on middle class families. that's already passed the senate. your members of congress, like allyson and chaka, other democrats in the house, they're ready to go, they're ready to vote on that same thing. if we can just get a few house republicans on board, we can pass the bill in the house, it will
boehner to stop protecting the rich. joy reid is managing editor of the grio, and david corn is washington bureau chief for mother jones and the author of the ebook "47 percent." today the president took his pitch to a factory in the philadelphia suburbs, and he made clear the rich must pay their fair share. obama's job number one, a tax cut for the 98%. the rest of the people. let's listen to him. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to you for just a...
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they don't want to hear boehner capitulate. if you read a lot of the right wing sides, not the crazy once, they're already teeing up to say bain ser a failure, he gave into obama. they want to hear him talk the talk. while he still has the rejectionists in hand in the lame duck caucus and while he has that donor class that wants to hear this conservative rhetoric, he's still got to play the game. behind the jeans i think republicans understand they're going to lose that top rate fight. they're going to lose that and i wouldn't be surprised if they wound up putting the debt creeling into the deal at the end, but up until the moment they make the deal, he's got to talk the talk. >> if i was only interested in right wing money and money at the top, i would say that's all true and, therefore, the faster they make a deal the better because if they're going to raise the rate anyway, get it over with. >> it would be better for the republicans if they make a deal now. >> boehner can make a better deal now. the question is whether anyon
they don't want to hear boehner capitulate. if you read a lot of the right wing sides, not the crazy once, they're already teeing up to say bain ser a failure, he gave into obama. they want to hear him talk the talk. while he still has the rejectionists in hand in the lame duck caucus and while he has that donor class that wants to hear this conservative rhetoric, he's still got to play the game. behind the jeans i think republicans understand they're going to lose that top rate fight. they're...
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let's take a listen to what boehner had to say. this is a little bit of what spooked the markets earlier today. >> despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. and secondly, no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> so who is it, who's not being serious here? no surprise, the democrats think it is the republicans who aren't being serious up on capitol hill. take a listen to harry reid a little while ago as well. >> republicans know where we stand. we've said it, we've said it, we've said it so many times. president has said the same thing. it's been weeks -- at least two weeks since we met at the white house. we're still waiting for a serious offer from the republicans. >> i folk harry reid here in the hallway up on capitol hill. i asked him what the offer was, if any, from treasury secretary geithner to republicans today in this series of meetings he's been having on capi
let's take a listen to what boehner had to say. this is a little bit of what spooked the markets earlier today. >> despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. and secondly, no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> so who is it, who's not being serious here? no surprise, the democrats think it is the republicans who aren't...
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loser speaker of the house john boehner. he offered the president a peace pipe and got in return a demand that he turned over his sword, his shirt and at the end his trousers. that is a rather embarrassing position for the speaker. >> bret: he will be asked about it on "fox news sunday" with chris wallace. that is it for the panel. but stay tuned to see one thing congress did accomplish today. victor! victor! i got your campbell's chunky soup. mom? who's mom? i'm the giants mascot. the giants don't have a mascot! ohhh! eat up! new jammin jerk chicken soup has tasty pieces of chicken with rice and beans. hmmm. for giant hunger! thanks mom! see ya! whoaa...oops! mom? i'm ok. grandma? hi sweetie! she operates the head. [ male announcer ] campbell's chunky soup. it fills you up right. >> bret: finally tonight, the big power ball lottery is over but the house had its own lottery today the office lottery for the incoming class of house freshman who become lawmakers early next year. this is a really big deal. they draw lots for the
loser speaker of the house john boehner. he offered the president a peace pipe and got in return a demand that he turned over his sword, his shirt and at the end his trousers. that is a rather embarrassing position for the speaker. >> bret: he will be asked about it on "fox news sunday" with chris wallace. that is it for the panel. but stay tuned to see one thing congress did accomplish today. victor! victor! i got your campbell's chunky soup. mom? who's mom? i'm the giants...
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bain boehner is spinning his wheels. president obama could be pushing these guys all the way until the break. he reminded the country of the steaks stakes today. there was a sense of urgency in the president's message >>> if we get this part of it right, a lot of the other issues surrounding deficit reduction are going to be a whole lot easier. if we get this wrong, the economy is going to go south. we don't have a lot of time here. we have a few weeks to get this thing done. we could get it done tomorrow. optimistically, i don't think we are going to get it done tomorrow. >> the white house is using all social media resources to get the message out and put pressure on the republicans. >> today, i'm asking congress to listen to the people who sent us here to serve. i'm asking americans all across the country to make your voice heard. tell members of congress what a $2,000 tax hike would mean to you. call your members of congress, write them an e-mail, post it on their facebook walls. you can tweet it using the hash tag m
bain boehner is spinning his wheels. president obama could be pushing these guys all the way until the break. he reminded the country of the steaks stakes today. there was a sense of urgency in the president's message >>> if we get this part of it right, a lot of the other issues surrounding deficit reduction are going to be a whole lot easier. if we get this wrong, the economy is going to go south. we don't have a lot of time here. we have a few weeks to get this thing done. we could...
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this response is boehner saying, not so fast, mr. president. >> in terms of -- i know you don't have details on the medicare. are there any details on where the revenue comes from? in terms of exemptions and loopholes? do we know if all the exemptions and loopholes are taken off the table? for example, if mortgage and charity is still there? >> we just have detail describing this as revenue through tax reform. presumably there would be some changes to the revenue code that would get you the $600 billion -- i'm sorry, $800 billion in additional revenue the speaker is talking about here. where he gets that from, we'll have to get that answer from the speaker's office. you can imagine right now their phone lines are scrammed and operators are not standing by. >> thanks. you have to start somewhere. >> let's get reaction. s & p capital, jeff cox at cnbc headquarters and rick santelli in chicago. sam, where do you stand on all this? what's your take in terms of republicans coming out with their plan, post the president's plan released thi
this response is boehner saying, not so fast, mr. president. >> in terms of -- i know you don't have details on the medicare. are there any details on where the revenue comes from? in terms of exemptions and loopholes? do we know if all the exemptions and loopholes are taken off the table? for example, if mortgage and charity is still there? >> we just have detail describing this as revenue through tax reform. presumably there would be some changes to the revenue code that would get...
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so john boehner has wiggle room. he can look like he's the tough guy to the tea party folks who have to vote him back in as speaker. tom cole is really laying out the policy. if they wanted to shut him up, he would have been shut up. and so, where does this leave them? they're not going to play the card on the debt ceiling because that was a disaster for them. they're going to say, you know what, we tried to say the democrats were not serious about spending cuts, but they have no option. they lost the election. you know, republican voters were lied to about the state of the polls. they were lied to about the state of america. and if they want to believe that this is the only path that only spending cuts will get them to deficit reduction, they can carry on believing that or get to a place where they're going to get re-elected. >> richard, i think the president is offering a great deal to the republicans. here's why. these guys can go home 98% and say, you know what, 98% of you, i got the tax cuts. i didn't raise your
so john boehner has wiggle room. he can look like he's the tough guy to the tea party folks who have to vote him back in as speaker. tom cole is really laying out the policy. if they wanted to shut him up, he would have been shut up. and so, where does this leave them? they're not going to play the card on the debt ceiling because that was a disaster for them. they're going to say, you know what, we tried to say the democrats were not serious about spending cuts, but they have no option. they...
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. >> well we've heard from just about everybody in town except for speaker boehner. scott it feels like we're getting some deal making behind the scenes and i'll tell you why it feels that way. we were told that yesterday speaker boehner and president obama held a phone call, it was said to be about 20, 28 minutes in length but neither side has leaked what happened on that phone call. the house republicans are not leaking, the white house just within the past hour said it's not going to tell reporters what was discussed, that's probably an encouraging sign that negotiations are taking place. last week we saw that they had a proposal and immediately house republicans leaked the white house proposal and then republicans went out of their way to say they were laughing at that proposal, now they're not leaking, that's probably a sign of some real deal making but nonetheless harry reid the senate democratic leader was on the floor within the past hour or so and he kept the pressure up on republicans. take a listen. >> the plan for the republicans to face reality, there's
. >> well we've heard from just about everybody in town except for speaker boehner. scott it feels like we're getting some deal making behind the scenes and i'll tell you why it feels that way. we were told that yesterday speaker boehner and president obama held a phone call, it was said to be about 20, 28 minutes in length but neither side has leaked what happened on that phone call. the house republicans are not leaking, the white house just within the past hour said it's not going to...
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boehner said his plan represents a middle ground. he's ready and eager to talk to the president about it. congresswoman kathy mcmorris rogers of washington state is the party's conference chair in the house. >> we're going to either succeed together or we're going to fail together. the president is calling for higher taxes as well as more spending. he's calling for another stimulus. at a time when we need tax reform. we need to be looking at... and the republicans have put forward tax reform that includes closing the loopholes, eliminating some of those tax credits, that will actually impact the wealthiest. >> reporter: some republicans said the boehner plan goes too far in taxing the well-off. south carolina senator jim demint, a staunch fiscal conservative, blasted the plan on twitter today. he said speaker boehner's offer of an $800 billion tax hike will destroy jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend even more. but the senate's democratic majority leader harry reid warned republicans against listening to such voices. >>
boehner said his plan represents a middle ground. he's ready and eager to talk to the president about it. congresswoman kathy mcmorris rogers of washington state is the party's conference chair in the house. >> we're going to either succeed together or we're going to fail together. the president is calling for higher taxes as well as more spending. he's calling for another stimulus. at a time when we need tax reform. we need to be looking at... and the republicans have put forward tax...
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the chicken question is john boehner having to blink. president was able to get $1.6 trillion because it's coming from the increase on wealthy americans. we don't want 98% of americans tax rates to go up in the name of saving tax rates for the wealthy. so that is going to increase on wealthy americans, 60% of americans overwhelmingly support. the president won this election fair and square. american voters are clear on the mandate and support an increase in tax rates to balance this budget. >> that is not true. for the bush tax cuts to expire and top 2 percent even most generous estimate that is $90 billion more in revenue. not $1.6 trillion more in revenue even over ten years. even if you accept that larger number, the deficit is $1.5 trillion so, even if the republicans raise the you are giving $90 billion. where are you going to get the rest of it? it will have to come from entitlement reform and meaning spending cuts. >> it's coming from loopholes. i think we can. >> he criticized governor romney's plan based on the premise there is
the chicken question is john boehner having to blink. president was able to get $1.6 trillion because it's coming from the increase on wealthy americans. we don't want 98% of americans tax rates to go up in the name of saving tax rates for the wealthy. so that is going to increase on wealthy americans, 60% of americans overwhelmingly support. the president won this election fair and square. american voters are clear on the mandate and support an increase in tax rates to balance this budget....
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speaker boehner says he is waiting to see those. >>shepard: a lot of the president's base criticized him in their mind from negotiating from a point of weakness. a lot of that, he could be going for that base, they have a long way to go before republicans will play. >>guest: they do. talking of the political bases on the conservative side, there is a lost treasure on speaker boehner to not give in on what is the holy grill for them, which is not raising tax rates. so speaker boehner reiterated today that he would be willing to wipe out some deductions and make other tax changes but he wants to lower rates. not race rates the he had choice words for the president. >> i took a great risk. the white house spent three weeks frying to develop a proposal, with one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes. calls for not even $400 billion in cuts. and they want to have this extra spending that is actually greater than the amount they are willing to cut. it was not a serious proposal. so right now we are almost nowhere. >>reporter:
speaker boehner says he is waiting to see those. >>shepard: a lot of the president's base criticized him in their mind from negotiating from a point of weakness. a lot of that, he could be going for that base, they have a long way to go before republicans will play. >>guest: they do. talking of the political bases on the conservative side, there is a lost treasure on speaker boehner to not give in on what is the holy grill for them, which is not raising tax rates. so speaker boehner...
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the republicans have offered substantial -- boehner has offered substantial tax increase, $800 billion, actually, but he believes it can be done by closing loopholes without raising the rates, which would be better for the economy. i don't believe we need to raise taxes. we can bring this government under control through spending reductions. certainly, if taxes are raised, they should be done in a way that's most beneficial or least damaging to the viability of our economy. >> yeah. i got to tell you, after listening to that interview, i feel pretty confident that we're going over the cliff. are we going to go over the cliff, senator? >> we should not go over the cliff. we should have been working on this all year, not waiting until the last minute. the reason we're not making progress, let me tell you -- and i've been consistent on this. they're bringing these numbers up in secret. if they were laid out in public so the american people knew just how much taxes they were increasing, just how little spending reductions -- or how much increases in spending. as a political mover, very eff
the republicans have offered substantial -- boehner has offered substantial tax increase, $800 billion, actually, but he believes it can be done by closing loopholes without raising the rates, which would be better for the economy. i don't believe we need to raise taxes. we can bring this government under control through spending reductions. certainly, if taxes are raised, they should be done in a way that's most beneficial or least damaging to the viability of our economy. >> yeah. i got...
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and you see boehner coming out -- boehner, by the way, just walked past us and gave us a big smile just a few seconds before we came on the air. he's clearly not all that upset. he seems like he's in a pretty good mood here today. so boehner is saying no. i don't like that offer. now harry reid is coming out and say wk hey, wait a second. it's time for you guys to get serious. when harry reid says it's time to listen to the american people, what he's saying is, look at the poll numbers. this thing polls much better for us than it polls for you. you're getting clobbered here, republicans. pay attention. so that's the message that's going on. you're seeing a lot of horse trading. yeah, if you're a player in the market right now, it's got to feel like you're being held hostage to this horse trading in washington. that's the way they've done it here for a couple hundred years in this town. i think that's the way they'll continue doing it up to the edge of the deadline on the fiscal cliff. >> you get any sense as you talk to the folks making these comments that they even care what the stock
and you see boehner coming out -- boehner, by the way, just walked past us and gave us a big smile just a few seconds before we came on the air. he's clearly not all that upset. he seems like he's in a pretty good mood here today. so boehner is saying no. i don't like that offer. now harry reid is coming out and say wk hey, wait a second. it's time for you guys to get serious. when harry reid says it's time to listen to the american people, what he's saying is, look at the poll numbers. this...
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boehner? >> it depends on what the headlines are. so the president said the clear majority voted for a balanced approach. but there's a lot of debate about what that means. representative boehner i thought was much more into fighting words over there. listen to what he said. increasing the tax rates is the wrong approach to take. he said there was a stalemate in the talks with the white house. look at the dow industrials. we did move down around 25, 30 points as his comments came out. he said we're almost nowhere in the talks. sitting right near the lows for the day. if you look at the overall sectors that are moving today, pretty much balanced on either side. pretty much even on the balance-decline line. worries about higher taxes on dividend paying stocks seem to be -- >> lows for the day but not violent downstrokes here. >> i think the problem is we'll have trouble moving into positive territory at the close. a lot of concerns about headline risks over the weekend. we could be down 10, 15 on the s&p monday morning on something tha
boehner? >> it depends on what the headlines are. so the president said the clear majority voted for a balanced approach. but there's a lot of debate about what that means. representative boehner i thought was much more into fighting words over there. listen to what he said. increasing the tax rates is the wrong approach to take. he said there was a stalemate in the talks with the white house. look at the dow industrials. we did move down around 25, 30 points as his comments came out. he...
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cantor is worried -- excuse me, not cantor, boehner is worried about not being reelected as speaker of the house. they can't vote on that until january 4th with the new congress on that. cantor wants that job. so i think boehner's going to press for a deal, i think he's going to go ahead and allow president obama to raise taxes to 39.6%, and i think that'll take the edge off the fiscal cliff. david: let's take this discussion out of the beltway and into the real world. the economy, and, jeff, i want to start with you because you're bullish, but if you're so bullish, hy are you downgrading housing right now? >> because our housing team made a really good call on the housing stocks, and they outran their valuations on a short to intermediate-term basis. they downgraded them about two months ago. liz: okay, so where's the money? show it to us. >> i like just about everything except consumer staples. i think industrials look good, i think they are the new consumer staples. i think that consumer staples are the new investment vehicles of utility investors -- liz: and you like american tower
cantor is worried -- excuse me, not cantor, boehner is worried about not being reelected as speaker of the house. they can't vote on that until january 4th with the new congress on that. cantor wants that job. so i think boehner's going to press for a deal, i think he's going to go ahead and allow president obama to raise taxes to 39.6%, and i think that'll take the edge off the fiscal cliff. david: let's take this discussion out of the beltway and into the real world. the economy, and, jeff, i...
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speaker boehner is about to speak. here he is. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and our jobs, the white house has wasted another week. you know, eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on. it had more stimulus spending than it had in cuts. and an indefinite, infinite increase in the debt limit like forever. four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there's been no counteroffer from the white house. instead reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow-walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code and cutting spending, the president wants to raise tax rates. but even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would continue to see trillion-dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. listen. washington's got a spending probl
speaker boehner is about to speak. here he is. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and our jobs, the white house has wasted another week. you know, eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on. it had more stimulus spending than it had in cuts. and an indefinite, infinite increase in the debt limit like forever. four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of...
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in return boehner will demand something in return. that has got to be serious spending cuts and serious entitlement reform. so far the president has not given very much. although i will say when i talked to tim geithner, treasury secretary last week on "fox news sunday", he seemed to be inviting the republicans to do it, in effect saying look we'll not sit there did it ourselves. we can't make your demand for you. you should two demand it. of course there is some politics in that because it is a little difficult to say, yeah we want to raise retirement age for medicare or we want to cut or limit the social security cost of living adjustment. but i think the democrats will say, republicans you have to demand it but we'll give it to you if you demand it. martha: seems there are two levels of the political reaction to all of this. you've got the moment when a deal is reachesed, okay? you have what happens to the economy, six, seven, eight months down the road. if indeed you allow taxes to go up on all 100% and it starts to hit businesses
in return boehner will demand something in return. that has got to be serious spending cuts and serious entitlement reform. so far the president has not given very much. although i will say when i talked to tim geithner, treasury secretary last week on "fox news sunday", he seemed to be inviting the republicans to do it, in effect saying look we'll not sit there did it ourselves. we can't make your demand for you. you should two demand it. of course there is some politics in that...
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boehner. boehner that low? >> it's remarkable. there is some subjectivity that goes with this but i think that's very interesting. the other folks that you mentioned. bloomberg fascinates me. >> bloomberg more power than bainer? really? >> i don't know about more power but think about the interesting position that bloomberg's in. he's got a year left on this third term that he has figured out a way to have. he's a publisher. he's a 15th richest guy -- most powerful guy on our list, one of the richest men in the world. >> and a quick thought on ilan musk -- we've heard his name but he doesn't get a lot of attention. why is he in the top 70? >> when you think about the entrepreneurial ethos that forbes tries to represent, the people, places and companies that we try to describe an entrepreneurs in particular, here's a guy who founded paypal. here's a guy who's at the front of the tesla automobile. he's now moving cargo through space. filling the void that nasa has left. >> it's like watch what he does zblep's going to be the railroa
boehner. boehner that low? >> it's remarkable. there is some subjectivity that goes with this but i think that's very interesting. the other folks that you mentioned. bloomberg fascinates me. >> bloomberg more power than bainer? really? >> i don't know about more power but think about the interesting position that bloomberg's in. he's got a year left on this third term that he has figured out a way to have. he's a publisher. he's a 15th richest guy -- most powerful guy on our...
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house speaker boehner coming out earlier today and saying no progress has been made in the negotiations. our chief washington correspondent john harwood is here with the latest. >> reporter: we ended the week with a fairly perfect, simple, clear, elegant expression of the partisan differences in this fight. speaker boehner came out and gave a press conference where he essentially said president obama has done nothing to compromise with republicans. here's the speaker. >> four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there's been no counteroffer from the white house. instead, reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow-walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> reporter: not surprisingly, democratic house leader nancy pelosi had precisely the opposite explanation for what is behind this stalemate. she says republicans simply echoing the white house are going to have to buckle on the issue of the top rates. >> the only obstacle standing in the way of middle income ta
house speaker boehner coming out earlier today and saying no progress has been made in the negotiations. our chief washington correspondent john harwood is here with the latest. >> reporter: we ended the week with a fairly perfect, simple, clear, elegant expression of the partisan differences in this fight. speaker boehner came out and gave a press conference where he essentially said president obama has done nothing to compromise with republicans. here's the speaker. >> four days...
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it to boehner and obama to make a deal. though boehner spokesman michael steele tells us this morning if we're going to solve this problem every congressional leader and more importantly the white house have all important roles to play. the fact is we've heard this same thing. and that is that pelosi and the senate leaders are not in the room at first. they'll be brought in when boehner and the white house are close. mann while, back to the debt ceiling. the new republicans' main point of leverage n. a rare misstep, mcconnell may have taken some of that leverage away in a move that ended with mcconnell filibustering himself. the president doesn't have enough democratic support, mcconnell moved to vote to permanently give the president the rate to approve the debt ceiling. reid shocked mcconnell by calling the idea of having that vote a positive development. forcing him to reject a vote he had called for himself. >> is there objection? >> reserving the right to object, matters of this controversy -- what we're talking about
it to boehner and obama to make a deal. though boehner spokesman michael steele tells us this morning if we're going to solve this problem every congressional leader and more importantly the white house have all important roles to play. the fact is we've heard this same thing. and that is that pelosi and the senate leaders are not in the room at first. they'll be brought in when boehner and the white house are close. mann while, back to the debt ceiling. the new republicans' main point of...
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john boehner is really the only republican power in town. so a lot of people think that he's going to have to move toward the president. right now, he's showing absolutely no signs of that. but public opinion is definitely in the president's side. >> the president seems to be counting on here that if no deal is reached, the gop will get the blame from voters. is that the right calculation to make? >> absolutely. polls show that republicans would overwhelmingly be blamed if the united states goes over the proverbial fiscal cliff. and that's why president obama has an advantage, because he's willing -- he says, this is what he and his advisers say, he's willing to send the nation off of the fiscal cliff, letting all income tax rates to jump, spending cuts to take hold, investment income rates to jump. he's willing to do that. he thinks republicans would get the political blame. republicans, on the other hand, note that listen, the president's going to have to have another term where he's dealing with what's likely to be a deep recession as a r
john boehner is really the only republican power in town. so a lot of people think that he's going to have to move toward the president. right now, he's showing absolutely no signs of that. but public opinion is definitely in the president's side. >> the president seems to be counting on here that if no deal is reached, the gop will get the blame from voters. is that the right calculation to make? >> absolutely. polls show that republicans would overwhelmingly be blamed if the...
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did say that the administration proposal just as boehner said is not serious. it's insulting. laughable. heavy on spending. there is no entitlement reform in there. they want the decouple of the tax rate for precondition for any discussion. they considered the sequester cut that everybody said is just fine. happy for those to be the only cuts on the table. >> all of this talk about the behind the scenes is going better than the public discussion. >> that's what i thought was happening. but it's not. the way they characterize talks is they're going backwards not forward. if president obama is talking about taxing the wealthy. it doesn't get you there. the math doesn't add up. i doesn't get you out of the hole. but if they get that on december 22 and all he get he is has a seriouscliff on his hands. >> i want to play this. question to nancy pelosi. the minority leader in the house about spending cuts and what she is willing to do. >> the thing on the spending cuts -- the definite -- [ inaudible ] >> $1.5 trillion in cuts is a lot of money. we in washington, d.c. and we get used
did say that the administration proposal just as boehner said is not serious. it's insulting. laughable. heavy on spending. there is no entitlement reform in there. they want the decouple of the tax rate for precondition for any discussion. they considered the sequester cut that everybody said is just fine. happy for those to be the only cuts on the table. >> all of this talk about the behind the scenes is going better than the public discussion. >> that's what i thought was...
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the holdup right now is that speaker boehner took a position the day after the campaign. that said we are willing to bring in revenue and not willing to bring in rates. we have could solve this in a week. it's not that tough. but we need that conceptual break through. >> we have a debt problem out of control. we have to cut spending. i believe we can put revenue on the table. revenues on the table will come from guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more, more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates which we believe will harm our economy. i'll be here. i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious about solving this problem. >> bret: the back and forth today in the fiscal cliff negotiations that aren't really negotiations as they're not sitting in one room. today, the treasury secretary tim geithner said in an interview that there is a little bit of progress. but yes, the white house would, "absolutely go over the fiscal cliff" if the republicans woul
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from speaker john boehner that he is not the house republican budget. they're trying to move more to the middle, and they believe this is the best way to do so, guys. >> on that $600 billion in health savings, do we have any clarity on what that would be? bahama ca obama care, medicare, medicaid? >> from the briefing it pertains to medicare and medicaid. the one specific thing we got is part of the health savings in the $600 billion mark would come from raising the medicare entry age from 65 to 67. something that the house republicans have talked about before. that is very much a big part of that 600 billion in health savings. >> thanks, luke russert, on the hill for breaking it down. let's go back to michael crowley. steve wants to get wonky with you. >> i haven't looked closely at this. what jumps out is the difference between obama saying he wants 1.6 trillion revenue and republicans say 800 billion in revenue. as luke said, not giving in on the issue of raising tax rates. they hold out this promise of tax reforms with loopholes and deductions. i don
from speaker john boehner that he is not the house republican budget. they're trying to move more to the middle, and they believe this is the best way to do so, guys. >> on that $600 billion in health savings, do we have any clarity on what that would be? bahama ca obama care, medicare, medicaid? >> from the briefing it pertains to medicare and medicaid. the one specific thing we got is part of the health savings in the $600 billion mark would come from raising the medicare entry...
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>> boehner might be willing to do a deal. the rank-and-file wants to hold fast and stick to principle which is rare in washington. david: what is your feeling? do you think we'll go off the cliff? >> i think it will go right to the end. if boehner and senator mcconnell do not cave, i think we'll kick the can down the road. for once that will be a good thing rather than a bad thing. david: steve forbes, forbes media chairman. >> good to see you, david. david: liz, over to you. liz: they're doing it in churches and cafeteria, ready for a workout. "inc." magazine named sumba fitness the company of the year. we have the ceo of assume ba fitness. we have the fitness instructor. we will combine latin music into a great workout that has grown into a huge empire and what it takes to join in. ♪ . >> i'm robert gray with your fox business brief. pandora is getting static in after-hours trading on a weaker than expected forecast. it is overshadowing strong third quarter results from the internet radio giant. >>> 2 will be a very speci
>> boehner might be willing to do a deal. the rank-and-file wants to hold fast and stick to principle which is rare in washington. david: what is your feeling? do you think we'll go off the cliff? >> i think it will go right to the end. if boehner and senator mcconnell do not cave, i think we'll kick the can down the road. for once that will be a good thing rather than a bad thing. david: steve forbes, forbes media chairman. >> good to see you, david. david: liz, over to you....
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john boehner now making the fairness argument? it's a shocking turn of events but a testament to the fact that the republicans know optics are not in their favor. >> here's where it looks like it's heading. republicans float i think a face-saver in the new york times. quote, if no deal can be struck to avert the bush era tax cuts and onset of deep across the board spending cuts gop leadership could foresee taking up and passing legislation this month to extend the tax cuts for the middle class and then resume the bitter fight over spending and taxes as the nation approaches the next hard deadline and statutory barring. that's the debt ceiling coming up later this year, early part of next year. here's the question right now, governor. it seems that's a face saver because they say taxes deferred or delayed are taxes avoided. if they say we'll get to defending the rich later. we'll let their taxes go up in january. it seems that's a face-saver even if they say we'll get to it later. >> well, i think what happens, chris, though is thi
john boehner now making the fairness argument? it's a shocking turn of events but a testament to the fact that the republicans know optics are not in their favor. >> here's where it looks like it's heading. republicans float i think a face-saver in the new york times. quote, if no deal can be struck to avert the bush era tax cuts and onset of deep across the board spending cuts gop leadership could foresee taking up and passing legislation this month to extend the tax cuts for the middle...
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that's the question john boehner, the speaker of the house has. listen to him. >> this week we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and that offer included significant spending cuts and reforms and it included additional revenue. frankly, it was the balanced approach that the president has been asking for. now we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. and if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. if you look at the plans that the white house has talked about thus far, they couldn't pass either house of the congress. >> brian: hasn't because it's been presented before. here is one thing the president i think is banking on because he's playing his cards and it's a strategic approach. he's saying if i can divide boehner and the other house republicans, i could break this thing wide open and i could get what i need. and it turns out of all places, the "new york
that's the question john boehner, the speaker of the house has. listen to him. >> this week we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and that offer included significant spending cuts and reforms and it included additional revenue. frankly, it was the balanced approach that the president has been asking for. now we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. and if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think...
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thefumes that come off of john boehner are flammable. >> should have been john boehner. >> meredith is a friend of bill. dame zirin, the nation's magazine sports editor. meredith, we want to find out what's happening, if anything, on the hill. but first, this is the "full-court press"." >> dan with the big stories of the day. >> barbara walters leaked the first name of one of this year's most fascinating people. the show airs next week on abc. it is honey booboo. >> the tlc toddlers and tiaras beauty queen will be part of the special. no word who else will be on that list. >> how dare you reveal the names. this is the biggest suspense of the year. who will barbara walters name? i could care less. >> last year kim kardashian. all three sisters. that did not go over well they said they need more serious people on the list. now you have them, honey boo-boo. >> walters jumped a sharks in 1790. >> i would like to be employed, continue to be employed. i don't have luxury of my own radio show yet. >> plenty of lawmakers have done the flood stamp challenge. mayor cory booker tweeted a photogra
thefumes that come off of john boehner are flammable. >> should have been john boehner. >> meredith is a friend of bill. dame zirin, the nation's magazine sports editor. meredith, we want to find out what's happening, if anything, on the hill. but first, this is the "full-court press"." >> dan with the big stories of the day. >> barbara walters leaked the first name of one of this year's most fascinating people. the show airs next week on abc. it is honey...
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boehner came out and said we should raise taxes. >> i think boehner is doing the best he can to prevent marginal tax rates from rising. i think that's a very noble cause after conservatives and republicans lost in the last election. i think boehner's done the exact right thing. >> i've heard you make the bold case for conservatism on this show. we should advocate for what worked with ronald reagan. guess what? our economy took off. we got 20 million jobs and youth unemployment dropped 43%. and revenues doubled. >> that's not the issue. >> yes, it is. >> that's not john boehner's issue. john boehner didn't lose the presidency, my friend. and don't forget that. and by the way, conservatives did not win the presidency and conservatives did not win the senate. it was a lousy year. and you have to deal with that. and let me add one thing. i am a flat tax supply sider and i worked for ronald reagan. reagan compromised. he compromised in 1982 over a lousy deal which he regretted. he compromised in 1983 over a very good social security fix. and then he compromised again in 1986 over a very good
boehner came out and said we should raise taxes. >> i think boehner is doing the best he can to prevent marginal tax rates from rising. i think that's a very noble cause after conservatives and republicans lost in the last election. i think boehner's done the exact right thing. >> i've heard you make the bold case for conservatism on this show. we should advocate for what worked with ronald reagan. guess what? our economy took off. we got 20 million jobs and youth unemployment...